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Originally posted by rmk70
yep i feel the same,having experienced wow i cannot compare aion im sorry wow was epic everywhere from the lore to the insane raid to the insane pvp etc aion looks nice and went same route as L2 the more i think about it and the more i begin to suspect ,community in wow was what made a so big impression on me add to to that the fact that september will bring new insanity in wow mm i left wow on june 6 but ill probably resub in september i feel like an alchoolic when it come to gaming lol i leave then oh hell just another round of wow i bet im not the only one |
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So far after 1 day of Beta, Im happy. Heres a quick review of what my friends and I thought in the beta up to level our current 10-14 level range.... I play a Cleric, Brother- Templar, Friends- Assasin, Sorc, Enchanter. Graphics: are amazing. I personally think they look as good as AoC or better, certainly better then most all MMOs out there. Very impressive so far. My brother was most impressed since he has an old PC that doesnt even come close to what you need to play and it runs fine for him. Gameplay: is pretty good. You have to disable a few things like click to move, Mouse wheel to center your character ( my push to talk for ventrilo). The way skills work are very similar to AoC. At about level 8 or so you start getting Chain combos for attacks where 1 will follow up the other. Its done much better then how AoC did it. None of us ran into any bugs, or broken skills, quests, etc etc. Once you get to level 9 you choose your class after a series of quests and also aquire your wings. Quests: First the Quests are like any other MMO as people said, find and kill 20 of X and collect 10 of Z. Its the standard stuff, some people dont like this, but its the way it is in MMOs. I mean come on, how do you plan to avoid this. If there werent these quests you would be grinding and people seem to hate that more. Personally none of us had any problem doing these quests. Leveling was going at a good pace. They do a good job of leading you to the next set/area of quests as you progress as well. Wings and Flying: is just plain fun. Once you get to level 10 and head to the City and outer areas you can fly almost anywhere. There is a 1 minute flight time when you first get them, so you have to be very careful to time your flight so you dont fall and die. You also can glide in non flight areas to speed movement up. The way flight works will make PvP VERY interesting, my brother and i tried some duels and also other combat in flight and believe it will be a great addition. Skills: can all be bought from vendors at the early stages. From what ive seen from the trainers it looks like to about 30 or so. You dont get many skills up to about 15. (My current level) So you have to get used to using the same attacks for the first 10+ levels with them ranking up every level with you. Skills are very very limited at the early stages. Also the only class that i found very powerful were Mages. They could kill 2x as fast as a Scout/Priest/Figher types. They also die much faster. Armor/Weapons: look amazing so far. You can change the color of most any piece of gear. Chain and Plate looks by far the best. 2 handed weapons look awesome. My maces were kind of lacking, hopeing there are better down the line. Shields also look great. Conclusion: Its still very early to tell how this game will shake out. After the hype and fall of both AoC and WAR. Ive learned to be patient and wait to make any case to get people to play the game. At this time however we will be buying the game and playing it when it comes out. I would like to test the pvp even at low levels, but we will just have to wait. If you want something new graphic wise, look and style wise. Then this game you may like. If you cant stand doing kill/collection quests as you level, then you shouldnt play MMOs. Certainly not this one. We have no complaints with the game so far. Best first day of a beta ive been involved in for a long time. IF i did have to complain about anything, it would be the crazy prices for weapons/armor from the merchants, then find out i get almost the exact same gear a few quests later. (My own fault) So save your money and wait to get armor from quests or monsters. Keep cash for your flight paths and Skills. |
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Originally posted by drbaltazar
yep i feel the same,having experienced wow i cannot compare aion im sorry wow was epic everywhere from the lore to the insane raid to the insane pvp etc aion looks nice and went same route as L2 the more i think about it and the more i begin to suspect ,community in wow was what made a so big impression on me add to to that the fact that september will bring new insanity in wow mm i left wow on june 6 but ill probably resub in september i feel like an alchoolic when it come to gaming lol i leave then oh hell just another round of wow i bet im not the only one
Not sure how you can live with what you said about wow..... Community? you mean the people who bail on 1 wipe, that could careless about anyone but themselves? I think the community is horrible. Raiding stopped being Epic with BC and slowly been going down hill ever since. PvP was killed with Arenas. If you can have more fun playing an old game raiding the same 3 zones that only get easier with each patch, then stay playing wow lol. Not sure where you are getting the Aion and L2 stuff, It looks a lot alike graphics wise, but i havent had to grind anything yet. So im not sure what your getting at with that comment. Just curious what you guys are looking for when you start a new MMO. Im pretty sure every MMO starts the same way, and i dont see that changing anytime soon. |
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My first reaction is that unless things changed before Monday at end of the beta. i doubt i will play this and cancel my pre-order.
Way too WoW'esque for me. Like i said tho, i will play till monday and then make my own judgment. It is good but simply, so far, not for me. |
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Originally posted by senadin
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Laughing-man
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Originally posted by senadin
So what would you change? You say Wowesque, which says aboslutely nothing. You say that the problems can be fixed in a week... What do you think you could change ina week? |
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I started playing Aion last night and so far i like it alot. So far i have a lvl11 ranger and a lvl 7 warrior. Graphics are great, gameplay very good and so far no bug at all. Only minus is the lack of some tips during play, to explain new things happening. He that lives upon Hope dies farting. |
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Originally posted by Laughing-man
So what would you change? You say Wowesque, which says aboslutely nothing. You say that the problems can be fixed in a week... What do you think you could change ina week?
I agree with you, I have no idea what Senadin is talking about. Wowesque? You mean quests that every MMO has? Combat? What? Explain please Senadin |
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Originally posted by sbfbeef
Not sure how you can live with what you said about wow..... Community? you mean the people who bail on 1 wipe, that could careless about anyone but themselves? I think the community is horrible. Raiding stopped being Epic with BC and slowly been going down hill ever since. PvP was killed with Arenas. If you can have more fun playing an old game raiding the same 3 zones that only get easier with each patch, then stay playing wow lol. Not sure where you are getting the Aion and L2 stuff, It looks a lot alike graphics wise, but i havent had to grind anything yet. So im not sure what your getting at with that comment. Just curious what you guys are looking for when you start a new MMO. Im pretty sure every MMO starts the same way, and i dont see that changing anytime soon. He isn't looking for a new mmo. He's afraid Aion will take large numbers away from his his first and only love WoW. Saying Aion isn't as epic as WoW by trying to compare Raids and PvP is just trolling. You can't even experience them in this beta. Aion will do well from word of mouth (much like WoW did). People will play it, enjoy it, tell their friends and the game will grow. I'm not saying it will ever get as big as WoW but it could easily be the number 2 MMO in the west from what i've seen so far. |
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Originally posted by Mykell
Not sure how you can live with what you said about wow..... Community? you mean the people who bail on 1 wipe, that could careless about anyone but themselves? I think the community is horrible. Raiding stopped being Epic with BC and slowly been going down hill ever since. PvP was killed with Arenas. If you can have more fun playing an old game raiding the same 3 zones that only get easier with each patch, then stay playing wow lol. Not sure where you are getting the Aion and L2 stuff, It looks a lot alike graphics wise, but i havent had to grind anything yet. So im not sure what your getting at with that comment. Just curious what you guys are looking for when you start a new MMO. Im pretty sure every MMO starts the same way, and i dont see that changing anytime soon. He isn't looking for a new mmo. He's afraid Aion will take large numbers away from his his first and only love WoW. Saying Aion isn't as epic as WoW by trying to compare Raids and PvP is just trolling. You can't even experience them in this beta. Aion will do well from word of mouth (much like WoW did). People will play it, enjoy it, tell their friends and the game will grow. I'm not saying it will ever get as big as WoW but it could easily be the number 2 MMO in the west from what i've seen so far. Yeah after a few hours of day two (for me) i think your right. I like the game better all the time. It doesnt really do anything new it seems to me it just took things and built upon them just as WOW did. Is it a WOW killer? It is for me. Number two i would say is a good bet and yes it will take some subs from WOW. Game is very poished and the graphics are beautiful. Im hooked. If game released tomarrow i would be there to pick up my reserve. |
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For starters I'll just echo the VERY VERY polished bit - but seeing as it's already gone thru two countries already thats a given. For gameplay wise nothing special to say 'ZOMG thats new', although I'm liking the skill chain system speeds up the combat with skills flipping to others although with the marco system as it is it could end up very 'one button bashing = win' combat, flying is fun but after FlyFF, WoW, and a few others having flying mounts it's kinda 'ok' not 'WOW!'. It's really boiling down to the Abyss and how everything works around pvp (very much like WAR and AoC), hopfully by Monday I'll have a bit of the Abyss experince, however it doesn't seem like i'll be buying this to play on day 1, i just doesn't grab me with 'I have to do X in this'. The sytems in place just seem shallow atm, give it a year and it'll probly bulk up in content by then, but I think many are just going to relise theres just to many MMOs to actally care if 'X beats Y' when they play Aion, either your going to enjoy a bit of fun at least in the short term or just not bother with it. Aion is an ok and fun game to play, it's just not a 'must have and play for years' game, least for me, yet. Bring on the WARRRRGGHH! |
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ok this comes from someone that played warcraft on and off for 4 years and has tried most other mmos released in that time period . aion is the most accessable mmo since warcraft . its early levels easily equal those of wow and surpass them in lots of ways . i cant say as yet if this game is better than wow but its certainly its equal from what i ve seen . it may not appeal to the wowhaters but you cant please allt he people all the time . after so many disapointments like warhammer and conan this one looks like a winner . at last wow has some real competition . |
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Ok, look, there's a lot of random crap in this thread. Ridiculous pannings from people, and unreasonable defense from others. I'll sum it up: Aion is an MMO. You will spend your time collecting badger asses to turn in for a shiny new pair of boots or a spork. You will tour more or less interesting video game scenery, play dress up with your online barbie doll, and your numbers will grow bigger over time. You will have the option of going somewhere where you can compete against others about who has been most efficient in collecting badger asses. You can click flowers and then craft up badger ass power potions with them and sell them to other players. You will have the option of killing really big badgers in groups of various sizes. EVERY MMO does this. AoC. WoW. EQ. EQ2. Vanguard. WAR. ETC. (Arguably not Eve-online, but whatever.) And every one of them has classes that people want to nerf and boost, developers who cruelly ignore their players and destroy their own game, goldsellers and power-levellers, and jackasses playing just to annoy you personally. What might make people play Aion is that: It's finished. You have mail, auctions, quests, and pvp. This all sounds lame but many games these days lack these basic augmentations to gameplay. It's beautiful. Best art direction since WoW, and great performance, so you can actually appreciate it. Lots of little touches and completely smooth animations. You can make your character look how you want. There's a lot of flexibility in character creation. It's beautiful like most Asian MMOs, but with actual variation options. It has its share of gimmicks to hook you. (Wings, they are actually pretty cool to play with at first; Combo-strings that aren't obnoxious to enter; private stores; character customizability; probably some other stuff.)
So that's that. If you burned out on WoW or whatever, this is not going to be any different. People expecting otherwise are deluded or a little slow on the pickup. If you just want a new shiny world to explore for a while that follows basically the same rules as all the other games you've tried out, you might like it.
In my opinion, it's nice. Playing the beta prompted me to pre-order it. I could see playing it for a few months, flying around and seeing how the company supports it and what their plans are for future growth.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled anguished flames and ignorant trolls.
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Originally posted by aafiske Well said. The only part that i disagree with is the fried on WOW part. I fit into that category and find Aion a breath of fresh air. |
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My first impressions... I don't like it. It is just the same old same old with new graphics. Although I am not high level (15 atm), I can't see me playing come retail. |
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Originally posted by grandpagamer
Fair enough. I suppose it depends why you stopped. If you got tired of the core gameplay, then changing the skin on the game won't last long for you (Which is true if we're talking about Aion, Eq2, or whatever). If you got tired of gruff, grumpy night elves and hot naked dwarves dancing at the auction house, then this might be worth a peek.
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It is a great game, it definitely has a lot of potential. |
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You asked for it: My verdict is, as most would probably tell you in so many words, convoluted. I fell in love with character creation. For the first time in the history of MMOs, I can not only recreate myself, I can also create a character that looks like I think an elf should: not a gnarled old man with a beak nose and alien eyes, not a purple or orange goblin-hulk with giant frickin' ears, not a 3D-rendered anime/manga case with similarly giant frickin' ears, but a smooth-skinned, slender human with elegance, agelessness, and subtly pointed ear tips. The first time in more than a decade of MMOs. What the hell took so long? /petpeeve off Anyway, it's not The Sims 3, but it's versatile, and about 10% of the possible combinations appeal to me, which is more than I can say for any past MMOs, wherein I always struggled to create something I neither found repulsive nor had difficulty relating to. So yes, I like Aion's character creation. Then I entered the world. I was pretty shocked by how low-quality the textures were and how jaggedly low-poly the world in general was. I stared in perplexity for a while, checking and rechecking my graphical settings to be sure I hadn't missed anything. Don't misunderstand me: the textures are beautifully painted, but blurry and flat, distinctly lacking shaders. Likewise, the terrain is expertly composed, but it is low-poly. Things look presentable enough when your attention is held by some activity, but if you ever want to just take in the world and it's details, you'll be discouraged. Which is strange, considering the quality of the character models and animations. Like World of WarCraft and Lord of the Rings Online, Aion greatly favors graphical composition at the expense of graphical quality. Getting into the mechanics, yes, I'd agree with many that there's nothing new or really improved upon, though I'd say that of every MMO over the past several years. The format has been rather static, and it seems to me that no matter what anyone may say, the only consequential differences between the largest MMOs for a while have been the graphics, music, lore, world design, and use of instancing. I'd say that Age of Conan's slightly twitchy chain-dependent combat system was the most radical mechanical difference of the last five years, but even that was just lifted from the classic console fighter format and didn't seem to do much for us. Will I buy Aion? Maybe. What it needs to more thoroughly grab me is for the world's graphical quality to match the characters', more lore and content that recognizes it, and for some mechanical features I've encountered elsewhere to make their way in—namely the ability to synchronize XP with friends, ala Vangurad's brotherhood system (known in beta as the fellowship system). Because with its art style, the concept behind its lore, and the capabilities of the engine it runs on, I really want to love it. I have a feeling, though, that I'll forget about it after the beta and return to EVE, or to Vanguard, or to Age of Conan, or to Lord of the Rings Online, or to single-player PC RPG masterpieces still aeons ahead of MMOs, until BioWare mates with CCP to produce the MMOsiah. Tested: 58 | Played: 26 | Favorites: EVE, VG, LotRO, AoC | Playing: None | Awaiting: TOR, TSW, WoD |
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Then I entered the world. I was pretty shocked by how low-quality the textures were and how jaggedly low-poly the world in general was. I stared in perplexity for a while, checking and rechecking my graphical settings to be sure I hadn't missed anything. When i entered this morning i was shocked too but not because of the graphics as you said when your doing some quests and stuff you dont notice the flat trees etc but because of how smooth the game flows, the running the figthing everything, not a single bump not a single lagspike nothing. Thats why imo these graphics are awesome.
Never have i ran a smoother MMO on this PC then Aion |
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Originally posted by elocke
I think this says it best. For those who don't mind or are interested in a standard mmo but with different proportions of what makes these mmo's "what they are", pvp, pve, crafting, artistic design, graphical quality, etc then the game will be a lot of fun and they might very well play it. for those who are looking for something different, don't want any pvp (though it has been said that you can avoid it if you make the effort) want more of a complete open world, etc, then they probably will not like it. I fall on the "this is my primary game" side as it gives me the right proportions fo what I want.
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Originally posted by Leucrotta
True. Lightweight graphics are obviously an old computer's best friend. Tested: 58 | Played: 26 | Favorites: EVE, VG, LotRO, AoC | Playing: None | Awaiting: TOR, TSW, WoD |
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Originally posted by Saerain
True. Lightweight graphics are obviously an old computer's best friend.
I remember reading something where they addressed the need for some of the art decisions that rely upon less AoC type graphics. A lot of game cafes have older machines so they of course want to have a game that will run well on those machines.
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Originally posted by Saerain
True. Lightweight graphics are obviously an old computer's best friend.
by no means i have an old pc |
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Originally posted by Leucrotta
by no means i have an old pc
I think he is saying that if one has an old pc then the choice in how the graphics for the environments are rendered will be a boon. Are you saying by no means [do I] have an old pc or by no means, i have an old pc?
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i dont have an old pc thats what i mean, altough not top notch is very well capable of running AoC and WAR
Also didnt feel attacked or anything by the other poster's qoute i just wanted to post how smooth the game runs compared to other mmo's i've played. and that im glad they chose performance above visual or found the perfect mix of it |
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